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when you hear john boehner and mitch mcconnell say we recognize there needs to be new revenues in the deal, that's big. >> very briefly, dana, does grover norquist though still frighten some members of the house? >> oh, he frightens a whole lot of them. that's the thing. there's two-thirds, three-quarters, maybe more of that caucus are the conservative republicans, and jared is right. the problem isn't grover norquist per se. he's an entertaining, happy warrior. the problem is there are people who are following this. there's always going to be a guy like that. the problem is how much power he is. >> the thing about grover is he's going to march in front of the parade. what matters is whether he's going to have troops behind him and some of those troops are peeling off. >> let's hope so. jared and dana millback, thank you, gentlemen, so much. stay with us. much more ahead. oh no, not a migraine now. try this... bayer? this isn't just a headache. trust me, this is new bayer migraine. [ male announcer ] it's the power of aspirin plus more in a triple action formula to relieve your tough
when you hear john boehner and mitch mcconnell say we recognize there needs to be new revenues in the deal, that's big. >> very briefly, dana, does grover norquist though still frighten some members of the house? >> oh, he frightens a whole lot of them. that's the thing. there's two-thirds, three-quarters, maybe more of that caucus are the conservative republicans, and jared is right. the problem isn't grover norquist per se. he's an entertaining, happy warrior. the problem is there...
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see is a promise from the white house regarding entitlements and some sort of promise from speaker boehner about the top tax rate. we don't know how quickly they can get anywhere. >> thank you, luke. i want to bring in senator bernie sanders of vermont, an independent who caucuses with the democrats and he serves on the senate budget committee in congress, joint economic committee. you wrote an op-ed piece in politico saying that we must not balance the budget on the backs of the elderly, the children, the sick and the poor. but you say sadly enough that's the approach virtually all republicans and certain democrats will be advocating. how is that? >> and you just heard your media pundit tell you the same thing. look, in america today you have the most uneven distribution of wealth and income of any major country on earth. you have the top 1% owning 42% of the wealth. the bottom 60% own 2.3% of the wealth. so first question is who should bear the burden? of austerity. do you really go after medicare, medicaid, social security, nutrition programs? do you really want to throw kids off of med
see is a promise from the white house regarding entitlements and some sort of promise from speaker boehner about the top tax rate. we don't know how quickly they can get anywhere. >> thank you, luke. i want to bring in senator bernie sanders of vermont, an independent who caucuses with the democrats and he serves on the senate budget committee in congress, joint economic committee. you wrote an op-ed piece in politico saying that we must not balance the budget on the backs of the elderly,...
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creeding to john boehner's authority, let be john boehner negotiate this deal. all speculation he will not get involved in the same level. certainly he will be briefed and make his opinions known but he's not going to try to tell john boehner you cannot get this through the conference. look at it from a broad perspective, from folks i've spoken to, eric cantor is thinking like this -- general belief and consensus is if the gop wants to get in 2014 that boehner will most likely walk away in 2016. if cantor can be a dutiful lieutenant until then he could until 2016 if the house republicans win with redistricting and the margins they have which looks possible, he could achieve his dream of becoming the first jewish speaker of the house. no reason to try to ascertain and go higher up like he did in 2011 which left a negative impression of him in a lot of folks' opinions. it's going to be interesting to see if he, in fact, does stay back and credes to boehner's authorities. from all the conversation that's what he seems to be doing. >> i love the mixed messages here.
creeding to john boehner's authority, let be john boehner negotiate this deal. all speculation he will not get involved in the same level. certainly he will be briefed and make his opinions known but he's not going to try to tell john boehner you cannot get this through the conference. look at it from a broad perspective, from folks i've spoken to, eric cantor is thinking like this -- general belief and consensus is if the gop wants to get in 2014 that boehner will most likely walk away in...
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even if you listen to boehner and harry reid, pelosi and the president, they are leaning towards getting something done. >> absolutely. i think something must be done. next quarter, we will be faced with the same old fable once again. it is one crisis after another. this was a self created crisis by republicans and autocrats. be careful what you wish for. the day of reckoning is here. connell: let's just take, as the premise of it, let's just say they have too given for whatever whatever reason and say the taxes on the top 2%, the families making $250,000 above, that those are going up. what can they demand in return that they can get from the democrats? >> we need drastic spending reductions. we have to tackle the root cause of our problems which is entitlements. once and for all, we have to tackle entitlements. we can increase taxes without increasing the rates. we can talk about capital gains, the death tax. connell: by the way, why is that better for the normal person? they may be better off if the tax rate for the top people went up. i understand both may happen. >> because of a sur
even if you listen to boehner and harry reid, pelosi and the president, they are leaning towards getting something done. >> absolutely. i think something must be done. next quarter, we will be faced with the same old fable once again. it is one crisis after another. this was a self created crisis by republicans and autocrats. be careful what you wish for. the day of reckoning is here. connell: let's just take, as the premise of it, let's just say they have too given for whatever whatever...
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speaker boehner tapped paul ryan to help get his party in line ahead of deficit talks. where in the world is eric cantor? we will talk with luke russert and martin bashir about whether or not the gop can get its frogs in the wheel barrow. >> "new york times" national editor sam sifton says why you shouldn't think about serving salad or anything before the big meal. all of that when "now" starts in a mere 180 seconds. [ male announcer ] if you suffer from heartburn 2 or more days a week, why use temporary treatments when you can prevent the acid that's causing it with prevacid24hr. with one pill prevacid24hr works at the source to prevent the acid that causes frequent heartburn all day and all night. and with new prevacid24hr perks, you can earn rewards from dinner deals to music downloads for purchasing prevacid24hr. prevent acid all day and all night for 24 hours with prevacid24hr. i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a tric
speaker boehner tapped paul ryan to help get his party in line ahead of deficit talks. where in the world is eric cantor? we will talk with luke russert and martin bashir about whether or not the gop can get its frogs in the wheel barrow. >> "new york times" national editor sam sifton says why you shouldn't think about serving salad or anything before the big meal. all of that when "now" starts in a mere 180 seconds. [ male announcer ] if you suffer from heartburn 2 or...
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house speaker boehner, corker, mccain and coburn have hint ed. >> i think those newly elected republicans are looking at the idea of pledges going into the congress and in serving as maybe a hindrance to governance. and you need to have everything considered on the table and i think the speaker's leadership in this regard will be very helpful to carving out that pathway that they're going to need, that he's going to need to strike a deal with the president. it doesn't mean that rates are going to go up but some level of taxes, whether it's through loophole closings are or whatever, the speaker considering he needs to have the leverage to have those things on the table and he can not have one arm tied hyped his back because of some pledge that was, you know, evoked by a member they ran ten years ago or certainly as we've seen new members saying, no, i think i want to govern and worry less about pledges. >> senator, grover norquist argues history would suggest otherwise, that history shows republ republicans have stood by no tax pledge, that this isn't the first time he's come to this rodeo
house speaker boehner, corker, mccain and coburn have hint ed. >> i think those newly elected republicans are looking at the idea of pledges going into the congress and in serving as maybe a hindrance to governance. and you need to have everything considered on the table and i think the speaker's leadership in this regard will be very helpful to carving out that pathway that they're going to need, that he's going to need to strike a deal with the president. it doesn't mean that rates are...
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how much will the two sides be able to give and i think though you see in john boehner and in president obama two people who are willing to work together if they can get the wings, the fringe wings of either side to kind of get onboard and come together. >> you know, one thing i would note just as it relates -- first of all, susan rice hasn't been nominated for secretary of state. that said, if she is, the house has absolutely no role. it would be like me and you either supporting or opposing. >> 100 house republicans can oppose her but they don't have a vote. john mccain lost to president obama. he's more of an armed services guy than he is a foreign policy diplomacy guy. he called for bill clinton to go in but then was critical of hillary clinton going in. you know, i think a lot of people will say his politics are more personal than pragmatic. >> yet she is the top diplomat in the country. >> right. >> i want to talk because i can't resist 2016. i can't help myself. it's an addiction. >> why? >> you sound like my wife. chris christie hugely focused in the run up to the election after
how much will the two sides be able to give and i think though you see in john boehner and in president obama two people who are willing to work together if they can get the wings, the fringe wings of either side to kind of get onboard and come together. >> you know, one thing i would note just as it relates -- first of all, susan rice hasn't been nominated for secretary of state. that said, if she is, the house has absolutely no role. it would be like me and you either supporting or...
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we had a handshake and constructive slap on the back by boehner and obama and that's going to fade next week when they actually get into the details of what they have to come up with. there will be acrimony and disagreement. that's what i want to take advantage of when we see a rally and risk this week, i want to sell it and think next week we come back to reality. >> basically this is more of a u.s. dollar driven trade opposed to what's going on in europe. >> yeah. that's true. i also -- you can toss in there we had the downgrade of france even though s&p downgraded earlier this year and moodies did it this time. we'll see articles over the next tl three to four days and over the weekend with problems with the bailout facility when there's not enough aaa rated countries in there. you'll see more negative news out on that. >> good to speak with you. andy bush. for more currency trades, watch "money in motion." we're off this friday but back next friday. you can get your fix online. >> we are awaiting a speech from fed chairman ben bernanke later today. we'll have a preview and analysis
we had a handshake and constructive slap on the back by boehner and obama and that's going to fade next week when they actually get into the details of what they have to come up with. there will be acrimony and disagreement. that's what i want to take advantage of when we see a rally and risk this week, i want to sell it and think next week we come back to reality. >> basically this is more of a u.s. dollar driven trade opposed to what's going on in europe. >> yeah. that's true. i...
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they are making sounds of compromise, but nancy pelosi -- >> speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell, and senator reid and i would all agree, we have to have something that will pass both houses that the president will sign. >> since mitch mcconnell's soul goal was to deny president obama a second term, and he failed i think he needs to resign now. >> that makes him a failure. >> stephanie: uh-huh. senator durbin. >> $250,000 for income is a reasonable number. those 2% or 1% of the highest wage earners in america who are doing well, should pay a little bit more. >> i won't pay it! that is taxing the job creators. >> stephanie: senator mitch mcconnell. >> i believe we're in the dpe limb ma we're in not because we taxed too little, but spent too much. >> oh, come on. >> stephanie: yeah, you failed at your number one -- you only had one plan and you failed at that. >> if we're spending too much let's cut the military. >> stephanie: bobby jindal. >> we're the party that wants growth. pro-growth policies. >> they do nothing but protect the rich. what is he talking about? >> he is lying. >> ste
they are making sounds of compromise, but nancy pelosi -- >> speaker boehner and mitch mcconnell, and senator reid and i would all agree, we have to have something that will pass both houses that the president will sign. >> since mitch mcconnell's soul goal was to deny president obama a second term, and he failed i think he needs to resign now. >> that makes him a failure. >> stephanie: uh-huh. senator durbin. >> $250,000 for income is a reasonable number. those 2%...
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john boehner, for instance, wants to do entitlement reform and tax reform in 2013 now. and he wants to have another trigger mechanism to make sure they take place. we're essentially going to have this whole thing happen all over again. the white house is precondition has always been, well, we have to do something before this december 31st. and i have just from talking to people in the white house and democrats and some republicans, it seems pretty likely you're going to see some in tax increases by the end of this year. that's going to happen. they're not going to say, yeah, we'll call it a day. the question is, then, what kind of entitlement reforms you have. and i think the political article got it. there's been pretty bright red lines set around social security. democrats don't want to touch that. >> gene, another battle we're having right now has to do with possibility of susan rice being nominated as secretary of state. it's gotten ugly over the past couple of days. john mccain calling her unfit for office. what's your take? >> well, you know, you've got to -- well
john boehner, for instance, wants to do entitlement reform and tax reform in 2013 now. and he wants to have another trigger mechanism to make sure they take place. we're essentially going to have this whole thing happen all over again. the white house is precondition has always been, well, we have to do something before this december 31st. and i have just from talking to people in the white house and democrats and some republicans, it seems pretty likely you're going to see some in tax...
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i think it would be easier to get simpson-bowles with boehner than with president obama. i don't think he's a true believer. >> we can have that debate but we're 40 days away from going off a cliff or small hill depending on who you ask. the question is what can each side give to get us where we need to be. >> but now you are really just talking about kicking the can again. >> i'm about rising above and rising above calls for compromise. >> i think harold is prepared. >> you are a simpson-bowles guy. >> the challenge is the president has drawn a line in the sand saying i want a pound of flesh period. don't get me a number. don't say a combination of spending cuts and a combination of discretionary of entitlement cuts and some tax increases. he's saying there's only one number. there's only one number. you got to give me that number. don't give me that number, the rest doesn't work. the problem is -- >> the country voted for him whether we like it or not. i like it he was re-elected. democrats picked up two seats in the senate. >> the country voted for him and they're goin
i think it would be easier to get simpson-bowles with boehner than with president obama. i don't think he's a true believer. >> we can have that debate but we're 40 days away from going off a cliff or small hill depending on who you ask. the question is what can each side give to get us where we need to be. >> but now you are really just talking about kicking the can again. >> i'm about rising above and rising above calls for compromise. >> i think harold is prepared....
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apparently john boehner didn't get the memo. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> we have seen people talk about a possible compromise. is that something that's accepted? >> no. >> democrats aren't budging. the union breaks news on my radio show. >> how will you feel if the bush tax cuts expired across the board and we started over with the obama tax cuts? >> i think that would be acceptable. >> former labor secretary robert rush and bill pascrell on the latest movement on the fight for the middle class. >> a judge orders mediation for hostess and its employees. but make no mistake, the vulture capitalists will get their cut. i'll talk twinkie. >>> plus john mccain continues to spiral out of control over benghazi. >> the chickens are now coming home to roost. >> the banks revolt against elizabeth warren. >>> and workers are threatening strikes at walmart stores across america. >> we expect our associates to do their job. >> josh ed elson has the latest on the workers versus walmart. >>> good to have you with us. thanks for watching. democratic
apparently john boehner didn't get the memo. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> we have seen people talk about a possible compromise. is that something that's accepted? >> no. >> democrats aren't budging. the union breaks news on my radio show. >> how will you feel if the bush tax cuts expired across the board and we started over with the obama tax cuts? >> i think that would be acceptable. >> former labor secretary robert rush and bill...
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what is boehner's intel here? >> because john boehner is smart enough to know he needs to keep paul ryan as close to him as possible. remember, you have paul ryan is part of the young guns. so they caused a little mischief the last time we tried this. this is less about having faith in paul ryan's actual ideas and more about politics. and sort of keeping his close, keeping him engaged, busy doing something so he's not out there making mischief. >> rana, it seems maybe that conservatives are coming to grips with the notion that there may be a tax increase on upper income earners e. i point you to bill crystal saying the unspeakable. let's take a listen. >> there will be a deal by december 31st. i believe republicans will yield on top rates. president obama ran twice and won two elections. he didn't raise rates in 2009. we were in the midst of horrible downturn. they were able to bargain to a deal. i don't think republicans have the lemplg or that it's worth using whatever leverage they have to maintain rates at 35%
what is boehner's intel here? >> because john boehner is smart enough to know he needs to keep paul ryan as close to him as possible. remember, you have paul ryan is part of the young guns. so they caused a little mischief the last time we tried this. this is less about having faith in paul ryan's actual ideas and more about politics. and sort of keeping his close, keeping him engaged, busy doing something so he's not out there making mischief. >> rana, it seems maybe that...
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people did not put john boehner into office to equivocate and become a democrat like. tom: you're her the republican rty has to change. >> mitt romney moves to the middle on a lot of issues and it got him a lost election. at the end of the day there are issues. there are things that are right and there are things that are wrong. president obama's tax hikes would need to crucify small businesses in this country like along with obamacare, it is a crushing blow to the ethereal spirit and the bottom line. you already see businesses maneuver and they are not going to hire more than 25 employees or work over 30 hours and this tax hike on over people who make under $50,000, the majority of those are small businesses. by the way, this is a big old news flash. 2%. 2.1% of the population makes 250. come on. tom: it is the same answer the president has given before. a lot of surveys lately, we understand, it won't fix the deficit. you think it is going to? no, but what is it for? it is because of fairness. >> that is what i want people to understand the president obama does not c
people did not put john boehner into office to equivocate and become a democrat like. tom: you're her the republican rty has to change. >> mitt romney moves to the middle on a lot of issues and it got him a lost election. at the end of the day there are issues. there are things that are right and there are things that are wrong. president obama's tax hikes would need to crucify small businesses in this country like along with obamacare, it is a crushing blow to the ethereal spirit and the...
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two, house leader boehner has to get re-elected by his party in january. he's not going to put a big deal in front of that. flip side is, no deal. i don't think the president will let that happen because he doesn't want to start his second term as president the way he started the first which was in a recession. but finally, what people fail to forget -- congress needs to go home for holidays. if they go home with no deal they will be criticized by their constituents. >> there are very few working days left when congress comes back from this thanksgiving break. >> remember what happened. t.a.r.p.? they didn't approve it. went home for the holidays, got criticized, came back and approved it. >> you see some stort of stopgap that averts the immediate tax hikes an spending cuts as of january 1, and that there is then some commitment to do a broader tax reform in 2013. >> correct. >> and that might be tied to raising of the debt ceiling. might'nt it. >> i think that's the next big date, mid-february when the treasury runs out of money, the debt ceiling is hit.
two, house leader boehner has to get re-elected by his party in january. he's not going to put a big deal in front of that. flip side is, no deal. i don't think the president will let that happen because he doesn't want to start his second term as president the way he started the first which was in a recession. but finally, what people fail to forget -- congress needs to go home for holidays. if they go home with no deal they will be criticized by their constituents. >> there are very few...
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>> this is up to john boehner. it is up to the house republicans. the tea party caucus which is talking about the tax reform and really cutting spending, they are the only people that stand between us. dagen: give it up because you will lose either way. >> i will tell you something, if the republicans can do neither of those two things, if they cannot handle either of those core principles, they have no reason of being filled key parties of america. dagen: hello. that is your headline. connell: our next guest says much of this has to do with iran. k.t. mcfarland. the stock market is off to the races. seemingly unbothered by what is going on overseas. >> this is not the typical thing. this is different. this is potentially much bigger and much worse. it is all about iran. israel school and this is to take out the 10,000 missiles that are in gaza. that are capable of reaching jerusalem and tel aviv. in six months from now, they want the option to be able to have a strike and not have to have retaliation. dagen: at what point will israel or would israe
>> this is up to john boehner. it is up to the house republicans. the tea party caucus which is talking about the tax reform and really cutting spending, they are the only people that stand between us. dagen: give it up because you will lose either way. >> i will tell you something, if the republicans can do neither of those two things, if they cannot handle either of those core principles, they have no reason of being filled key parties of america. dagen: hello. that is your...
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. >> coming up tonight at 7:00 eastern, the president and speaker boehner act like they will steer clear of the cliff. and david petraeus comes clean on benghazi, sort of. what was really going on? former pacific police commander with his fascinating theory tonight 7:00 eastern. stuart: the management at hostess, the twinkie people says the baker's union forced the company into liquidation. the union workers blame bad management. tom, who killed the twinkie? tom: the union has a responsibility tot go and get as much as they can but not kill the golden goose, but the management whether it's general motors or whether it's hostess has a responsibility to not sign contracts and make promises they can't afford. i think it was a badly managed company. stuart: interesting. interesting. next case, black friday, one of wal-mart's biggest days of the year, now wal-mart is facing an employee uprising of sorts. a group that wants to unionize is trying to lead a protest against wal-mart on black friday, big day for retailers, day after thanksgiving. >> i think they had something to do with killing tw
. >> coming up tonight at 7:00 eastern, the president and speaker boehner act like they will steer clear of the cliff. and david petraeus comes clean on benghazi, sort of. what was really going on? former pacific police commander with his fascinating theory tonight 7:00 eastern. stuart: the management at hostess, the twinkie people says the baker's union forced the company into liquidation. the union workers blame bad management. tom, who killed the twinkie? tom: the union has a...
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john boehner was just down there at the white house on friday, it's the beginning. we want to show him if he wants to gain revenues we are more than willing to talk about closing and limiting loopholes. bill: which loophole would you close? >> we'll sit down and lay them all on the table. there are a lot of ways you can go through. we have to have reforms. what you need to do too, the structural change. you have to have structural change otherwise you're going to continue to this trillion dollar deficits sthao based on your experience in working with president obama is he willing to go for significant tax reform, change the whole problem? that would be historical. >> we will not get out of this mess without growing this economy, and the only way to do that is to have structural reform and tax reform. this isn't something that republicans have sat back on. we have passed legislation already that sets up the framework to have tax ry reform. we've passed it to take away the sequestration that he says in the debate will not happen. bee have already passed that in the ho
john boehner was just down there at the white house on friday, it's the beginning. we want to show him if he wants to gain revenues we are more than willing to talk about closing and limiting loopholes. bill: which loophole would you close? >> we'll sit down and lay them all on the table. there are a lot of ways you can go through. we have to have reforms. what you need to do too, the structural change. you have to have structural change otherwise you're going to continue to this trillion...
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taxes increased and republicans know they'll get blamed for that and don't want it and, two, can john boehner rally a republicans who doesn't want to raise taxes? to that end it's unbelievable. the election was only 13 days ago. >> i know. >> there's been a lot of piling on mitt romney in those 13 days. i want to play something tea party republican senator had to say. this was at the federalist society about the election. let's play it. >> inevitably there are these mandarins in politics who give the voice don't show any contrast. don't rock the boat. so by the third debate, i'm pretty certain mitt romney actually french kissed barack obama. >> okay, let's put aside that image. >> yes. >> this suggests that, you know, these are the manndarins of politics, don't show any contrast, don't rock the boat,s so you have the ted cruzs of the world coming in and the boehners saying we node to caught deal on this, reform on immigration, talk about gay marriage. we need a reformation within the party. is that what the base of the party wants? and if they don't want that, if ted cruz is the voice for tha
taxes increased and republicans know they'll get blamed for that and don't want it and, two, can john boehner rally a republicans who doesn't want to raise taxes? to that end it's unbelievable. the election was only 13 days ago. >> i know. >> there's been a lot of piling on mitt romney in those 13 days. i want to play something tea party republican senator had to say. this was at the federalist society about the election. let's play it. >> inevitably there are these mandarins...
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that puts her at odds with john boehner. >> could you accept a deal that does not include tax rate increases for the wealthy? we've seen talk about a possible compromise that would leave rates the same but tax deductions for high income earners. is that something that's acceptable? >> no. >> not at all. >> the president made it clear in his campaign that there are not enough resources. what you described is a formula and a blueprint for hampering a future. you cannot go forward -- you have to cut some investments. if you cut too many, you are hampering growth, you are hampering education and investments in the future. >> even thousands of miles away it appears president obama is still focused on negotiations. while touring a royal monastery with secretary of state clinton the president was overheard mentioning the budget talks to a monk. the president later clarified his comments at a news conference. >> i always believe in prayer. i believe in prayer when i go to church back home and if a buddhist monk is wishing me well, i'm going to take whatever good vibes he can give me to try to deal w
that puts her at odds with john boehner. >> could you accept a deal that does not include tax rate increases for the wealthy? we've seen talk about a possible compromise that would leave rates the same but tax deductions for high income earners. is that something that's acceptable? >> no. >> not at all. >> the president made it clear in his campaign that there are not enough resources. what you described is a formula and a blueprint for hampering a future. you cannot go...
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before hand, speaker boehner had a hard time getting some of his more conservative members to buy in to certain concrete hiatt -- compromises. going forward, we will have to see if the tea party conservatives will seem to have the same support. the president now has the upper hand and when he talks to speaker boehner he will have to take that message back and he gets a little bit more behind him. >> week and a shop with a meeting between the leaders and the white house. what is the dynamic? >> it will be very interesting to see. hopefully we will hear from them exactly what their conversation was with the president. it is unlikely that we're going to see a detailed agreement on specific issues. are we going to hear about tax breaks or how entitlement reform is going to happen in the deal? on not sure. these figures are going to be out there. they're all going to be scrambling to set the tone in the way that they want to set it. of they will have discussions like the democratic leaders also say let these are the areas where we made clear to republican leaders where we are not going to
before hand, speaker boehner had a hard time getting some of his more conservative members to buy in to certain concrete hiatt -- compromises. going forward, we will have to see if the tea party conservatives will seem to have the same support. the president now has the upper hand and when he talks to speaker boehner he will have to take that message back and he gets a little bit more behind him. >> week and a shop with a meeting between the leaders and the white house. what is the...
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you know, when john boehner appears, they say are you willing to accept higher rates. no one says what are you going to do about entitlements or anything, there's no question of the president whether he will compromise and what that would look like. >> paul: steve, what do you think the republicans ought to do here? is there a way out for them or are they going to be pushed back into a corner where they have no choice, but to concede that they have to raise tax rates or else go over the cliff and get blamed for that? >> well, it's a tough situation for them. there's no question about it because as you know, the default position, if we don't do anything is for the taxes to go up on everybody on january 1st, and that's something i think both sides want to avoid. it's very interesting, the thing that happened this week to start the week, was who was the first person that barack obama met with in the white house since his election, the labor unions, the labor block, that tells a lot who is driving policy at least at the start of the second term? and the labor unions basica
you know, when john boehner appears, they say are you willing to accept higher rates. no one says what are you going to do about entitlements or anything, there's no question of the president whether he will compromise and what that would look like. >> paul: steve, what do you think the republicans ought to do here? is there a way out for them or are they going to be pushed back into a corner where they have no choice, but to concede that they have to raise tax rates or else go over the...
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you know, mitch mcconnell has to worry about a primary collage in 2014, and boehner has to worry about a leadership challenge from the right so there's certainly a primp on what they can do. that said, the incentives have changed, and you saw chris christie's incentive changed, and there's, you know, the fiscal cliff creates different incentives, and i think the end of -- the end of that one term goal means that different republicans will start to have different incentives which means that on immigration, perhaps on a long term deficit deal, there will be avenues for potential cooperation. whether, you know, whether it takes, you know, more ass kickings or a real statesman to lead the republicans towards a different future, i think that depends on what happens over the next few years. >> i mean, i would add that, you know, there's a real brulalty to sitting in washington, that was just breathtaking to me. as a relative outsider, going into the mill and the buzz saw of the political apparatus in washington, and i think that, you know, it's bipartisan horribleness. it's not just republic
you know, mitch mcconnell has to worry about a primary collage in 2014, and boehner has to worry about a leadership challenge from the right so there's certainly a primp on what they can do. that said, the incentives have changed, and you saw chris christie's incentive changed, and there's, you know, the fiscal cliff creates different incentives, and i think the end of -- the end of that one term goal means that different republicans will start to have different incentives which means that on...
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john boehner is the speaker of the house. barack obama got less vote than he got the last time. there hasn't been a president elected with a weaker mandate than woodrow wilson. he is the one who needs to hammer out a deal. speaker bainerer is a reasonable man. he is the right guy to strike a deal with. but don't start with nancy pelosi making demands for raising tax rates. let's work through all the issues. i agree, what's at stake is dramatic, it's the economy of the american people. >> eric: quickly, do you think we will have a deal by the end of year? >> i am getting more dubious. but i hope so. >> eric: margie, how about you? >> viheard some republicans sound like they want to come to the table. not everyone. not matt, with all due respect. but i do think that we -- i feel more optimistic when i am watching the postr post poll. >> eric: we have $16 trillion in debt. it's just only getting bigger. thargs for joining us. >> thank you. >> eric: jamie? >> jamie: the fiscal cliff. how does it affect you, your kid, your family and college tuition rates? a lot. we are going to tell
john boehner is the speaker of the house. barack obama got less vote than he got the last time. there hasn't been a president elected with a weaker mandate than woodrow wilson. he is the one who needs to hammer out a deal. speaker bainerer is a reasonable man. he is the right guy to strike a deal with. but don't start with nancy pelosi making demands for raising tax rates. let's work through all the issues. i agree, what's at stake is dramatic, it's the economy of the american people. >>...
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that's what speaker john boehner talked about, constructive, but there's also a lot of urgency. now, nancy pelosi, we have a lot more of this interview, a fascinating interview, told me she thought they could work out this deal in mid-december. i asked her, of course, look, we've heard optimism before and this went nowhere. but there is that urgency now. americans are sick of this. this is the second time around. >> and so overnight we saw -- we saw this video of david petraeus' alleged mistress, paula broadwell, his biographer walking with her husband. it's the first time we've seen the two of them since this scandal broke. so let me ask you about the petraeus affair, which i know you've been following so closely. where does this go now? what in your view is likely to be the next shoe to drop? >> well, i think what we've learned this week is this is not over. i think a week ago when we heard david petraeus say he was resigning because he had an extramarital affair, we thought it might go away. but every day it seems like there's something new. they're now looking through those
that's what speaker john boehner talked about, constructive, but there's also a lot of urgency. now, nancy pelosi, we have a lot more of this interview, a fascinating interview, told me she thought they could work out this deal in mid-december. i asked her, of course, look, we've heard optimism before and this went nowhere. but there is that urgency now. americans are sick of this. this is the second time around. >> and so overnight we saw -- we saw this video of david petraeus' alleged...
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i also remember calling up a guy before i worked for governor romney, i worked for john boehner. i called up our didge cal -- digital guy and said tell me about twitter and he said you don't need to know that. that is not going to take off. so much of what we did was driven from the bottom up through twitter. even when toivens plane, we would go -- even when i was on the plane, jen was on a much bigger plane called air force 1. i was on hairforce 1. by the time i came back to the front of the plane i would see on twitter i already made news. >> when you say people, you don't mean people. you mean reporters. >> or people. [laughter] >>that was on the -- free to be you and me c.d. reporters are people. but this was kind of backstage conversation you were watching play out on twitter. sometimes real people. it was more important for you how the journalists were using twitter. >> it became an incredible newsing a gator. you could see now like t.p.m. more left leaning. see what they are saying. see what folks on the right are saying. folks in the middle are supposed to be saying. what
i also remember calling up a guy before i worked for governor romney, i worked for john boehner. i called up our didge cal -- digital guy and said tell me about twitter and he said you don't need to know that. that is not going to take off. so much of what we did was driven from the bottom up through twitter. even when toivens plane, we would go -- even when i was on the plane, jen was on a much bigger plane called air force 1. i was on hairforce 1. by the time i came back to the front of the...
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. >> -- john boehner says clearly not. >> it is a lot easier to say at this level of generality. it becomes harder to enacted. the number of times of with the head of the cbo, senator so and so would call me up and say i want to talk about tax reform and i would walk in and the head is one talking point which is brought in the base and lower the rate. what are you willing to scale back? mortgage interest, cannot touch that. charitable, cannot touch that. you go down the list. one of the reasons of these new ideas being attractive is a are obscuring what has to be cut back. >> there is still a hard choice there. >> we are not saying we are going to cut out your ability to deduct your mortgage but i will get to keep my ability to deduct my local tax. everything goes into a pot. everybody gets to keep their deductions but you cannot be too greedy about it. it does have to limit the amount they can benefit from it. >> that is the selling point. >> the notion here, can you do this and have the only effect of the wealthiest americans -- affect the wealthiest americans? >> the numbers h
. >> -- john boehner says clearly not. >> it is a lot easier to say at this level of generality. it becomes harder to enacted. the number of times of with the head of the cbo, senator so and so would call me up and say i want to talk about tax reform and i would walk in and the head is one talking point which is brought in the base and lower the rate. what are you willing to scale back? mortgage interest, cannot touch that. charitable, cannot touch that. you go down the list. one of...
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there is concern in the far right flank that speaker john boehner will raise tax rates for the top 2 percent. they want to preserve tax cuts for every tax bracket. no one is sure that the speaker is doing that. they are not discussing giving in on the top 2 percent but i don't think that is a promise they will keep. we'll have to wait and see. i know that they wanted entitlement reform on the table if not right now, a promise that we'll get to it in the new year and overall tax reform. those are the demands from the republican side. >> heather: what about spending cuts in terms of democrats? >> there is another hard issue. democrats are going to try to hold as much on spending cuts, but they know that the cuts have to be part of the deal. you can't get republicans along were anything unless there is something on that side. how far are democrats willing to go? on spending cuts and overhauling entitlement reform which is the main driver of the nation's debt. you may see a deal where there is tax increase if democrats are willing to go much further on entitlement reform and spending cut
there is concern in the far right flank that speaker john boehner will raise tax rates for the top 2 percent. they want to preserve tax cuts for every tax bracket. no one is sure that the speaker is doing that. they are not discussing giving in on the top 2 percent but i don't think that is a promise they will keep. we'll have to wait and see. i know that they wanted entitlement reform on the table if not right now, a promise that we'll get to it in the new year and overall tax reform. those...
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president obama wished house speaker john boehner a happy birthday. the president said he didn't know how many candles they would need for speaker boehner's birthday. he gave him an expensive bottle of wine instead. the speaker turned 63 years old today. >> a new york businessman said tampa, florida, socialite jill kelley asked him for an $80 million deal. those are some of the stories trending as we speak on cnn.com. >> an astronaut battles parkinson's disease while flying through space. we'll show you why he kept his condition a secret and how he's doing 17 years later. [ male announcer ] when a major hospital wanted to provide better employee benefits while balancing the company's bottom line, their very first word was... [ to the tune of "lullaby and good night" ] ♪ af-lac ♪ aflac [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ male announcer ] ...forbusiness.com. [ yawning sound ] at meineke i have options... like oil changes starting at $19.95. my money. my choice. my meineke. my money. my choice. when i take a picture of this check
president obama wished house speaker john boehner a happy birthday. the president said he didn't know how many candles they would need for speaker boehner's birthday. he gave him an expensive bottle of wine instead. the speaker turned 63 years old today. >> a new york businessman said tampa, florida, socialite jill kelley asked him for an $80 million deal. those are some of the stories trending as we speak on cnn.com. >> an astronaut battles parkinson's disease while flying through...
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when obama and john boehner said down to negotiate very soon, will the gop give a little on this? will they get enough so we can get a resolution? my guess is no. i do not think the defeat was as clear enough to signal that kind of change. we do see if you people like bill kristol saying why are we [unintelligible] it is not -- the economy did great. there is a belief that there is an automatic relationship between the level of taxation on the wealthy and economic growth. you look back at american history, there is an inverse relationship over the last 80 years between level of economic growth and taxation on the wealthy. what will happen? we might sail over the fiscal cliff. that phrase invented by ben bernanke. but relax. the fiscal cliff is the kind of thing that only exists if washington allows it to happen. washington sometimes seems like a school where the teachers set the deadline and then change them. if we do still over the fiscal cliff, there are little maneuvers the treasury can do to make sure that we do not, even if sequestration actually starts, there are maneuvers t
when obama and john boehner said down to negotiate very soon, will the gop give a little on this? will they get enough so we can get a resolution? my guess is no. i do not think the defeat was as clear enough to signal that kind of change. we do see if you people like bill kristol saying why are we [unintelligible] it is not -- the economy did great. there is a belief that there is an automatic relationship between the level of taxation on the wealthy and economic growth. you look back at...
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you saw john boehner out there saying we are hopeful we can get a deal done. and the market had a positive reaction to that. yet it lost that upside throughout the day, teetered back and forth between positive and negative territory. finally, closing the day out positive, so perhaps that suggests that maybe we are a little bit closer. but here's the thing, randi, they've got to get something done. they've got to solve this issue. because if not, the consequences are severe. >> but you listen to some people, and they suggest that fears of fallen off the cliff are overblown. what are the real consequences here? >> the real consequences are another recession. i mean, i can tell you every ceo that i'm talking to right now says i'm not making major decisions. i'm waiting. i'm standing by the sidelines. i can't hire a lot of people, i can't invest in a lot of infrastructure because i don't know what the landscape is going to be in the next 45 days. i don't know what the landscape is going to be in the next three months. so there's a lot of holdup. now, eventually, o
you saw john boehner out there saying we are hopeful we can get a deal done. and the market had a positive reaction to that. yet it lost that upside throughout the day, teetered back and forth between positive and negative territory. finally, closing the day out positive, so perhaps that suggests that maybe we are a little bit closer. but here's the thing, randi, they've got to get something done. they've got to solve this issue. because if not, the consequences are severe. >> but you...
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what is amazing to me is you open up the paper, you watch on television, there's boehner, mcconnell, all these people saying he has to have major entitlement cuts, cuts in social security, medicare and medicaid. right after the republicans got finished beating up on the democrats for allegedly taking $760 billion for medicare, that's terrible, now they're insisting we have to take more money for medicare, medicaid, social security. the democrats are stupid enough to go along with that. they will criticize the democrats the next election. >> that's a great point. heather, you were in washington and watched the sausage making happen. how much leverage do you think there is? >> that's a good question. i think unfortunately we may have to get through this period of time of complete detachment from reality. and then the conversation will shift as it will as people start to gear up for the midterms. people start looking out into the country again and saying, hey, we're still at about 8% unemployment out here. jobs are still the number one concern of voters. not on the donor class, but of v
what is amazing to me is you open up the paper, you watch on television, there's boehner, mcconnell, all these people saying he has to have major entitlement cuts, cuts in social security, medicare and medicaid. right after the republicans got finished beating up on the democrats for allegedly taking $760 billion for medicare, that's terrible, now they're insisting we have to take more money for medicare, medicaid, social security. the democrats are stupid enough to go along with that. they...
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one of the issues with the fiscal cliff is what kind of legacy would john boehner or the president leave behind when they leave office if they can't get a deal done and what about a second term compromising and going your own route. >> terrific point. the big things that have happened in our country's history, the big pieces of legislation have either come when we've had enormous majorities of one party or the other, the great society, president johnson and a huge land side, lying majorities in congress, or with a compromise. what we've not had historically is closely fought vague important things happen. big reform. and in this case the president has the senate but he also has a republican house. and so i think and i'll look at this from thomas jefferson, you look at it with ronald reagan it goes all the way through, presidents who manage to give as well as to take particularly in a second term do the best. >> john your said in your article that the president should be careful about the conventional wisdom for second terms for presidents. what did you mean? >> i don't think he should cl
one of the issues with the fiscal cliff is what kind of legacy would john boehner or the president leave behind when they leave office if they can't get a deal done and what about a second term compromising and going your own route. >> terrific point. the big things that have happened in our country's history, the big pieces of legislation have either come when we've had enormous majorities of one party or the other, the great society, president johnson and a huge land side, lying...